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Friday, 22 January 2010
Unable to publish my new site
Mood:  hungry
Now Playing: silence
Topic: HTML Questions

Hi everyone, my first post so bear with me.....

FTP'd my new site to angelfire - www.angelfire.com/pe2/bonhom - no problems. When I go direct to this url the site and its navigation menu work just fine. However, when I go to www.bonhom.com (it's internet alias) the navigation menu is not shown and I can't get to any other pages (e.g. www.bonhom.com/page2.html). 

I have reported this problem twice to the help desk but have been met with silence.  

Is there anyone out there who has experienced a similar problem and can help?

Thanks in advance. 





Posted by pe2/bonhom at 10:57 AM EST | Post Comment | View Comments (29) | Permalink | Share This Post

Saturday, 23 January 2010 - 12:46 AM EST

Name: "tom"


I don't know anything about javascript etc., but on IE the

following seems to be the case:

Webpage error details

User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 5.1; Trident/4.0)
Timestamp: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 05:39:58 UTC

Message: Access is denied.

Line: 204
Char: 17
Code: 0
URI: https://www.angelfire.com/pe2/bonhom/

This is just a long shot, but change the URL to: https://www.angelfire.com/pe2/bonhom/index.html
instead of https://www.angelfire.com/pe2/bonhom

Saturday, 23 January 2010 - 12:50 AM EST

Name: "anonymous"

RE: "This is just a long shot, but change the URL to: https://www.angelfire.com/pe2/bonhom/index.html
instead of https://www.angelfire.com/pe2/bonhom"


Of course, I am referring to the configuration of your Domain Name Preferences.



Saturday, 23 January 2010 - 6:55 AM EST

Name: pe2/bonhom
Home Page: https://www.angelfire.com/pe2/bonhom

Hi Tom, thanks for your response.

I tried your suggestion but it did not solve the problem. www.angelfire.com/pe2/bonhom works just fine without specifying the index.html - try it out and see. It's the alias www.bonhom.com provided by Angelfire that does not work. If you view the source of www.bonhom.com you will see that it redirects to www.angelfire.com/pe2/bonhom. Something is stopping the redirect from working.



Sunday, 24 January 2010 - 2:26 AM EST

Name: "anonymous"

Hi Terry,


I'm afraid that I am unqualified to deal with this issue.

 There are other members on this blog, however, who are very skilled in these things; so, if you have patience, they will come forward sooner or later.

There is obviously some error in your HTML code, which prevents the browser, when accessing the redirect URL, from reproducing your webpage links at the top of the page.

Hang in there....help will be shortly on the way!


Monday, 25 January 2010 - 2:46 AM EST

Name: md/jdfaq
Home Page: https://www.angelfire.com/md/jdfaq

I am not sure try this, at the very top add <HTML>

<frameset cols="100%" frameborder="no" border="0" framespacing=0>
<frame name="main" src="https://www.angelfire.com/pe2/bonhom/index.html" frameborder="0" scrolling="AUTO">
  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
  Your browser does not have the features required for you to be taken
  automatically to the site you're looking for, so you need to follow
  this <a href="https://www.angelfire.com/pe2/bonhom">link</a>.


as Tom said you need to call the page index.html

Let us know if it work or not.

Monday, 25 January 2010 - 11:46 AM EST

Name: pe2/bonhom
Home Page: https://www.angelfire.com/pe2/bonhom


tried that - without success.

Just for interest I looked at my other website hosted by Angelfire (www.prestigesp.com) as this site uses a very similar navigation menu (coffeecup menu builder). Viewed the source for this site and there is no redirection as there is for www.bonhom.com. Why is that?

Also, if while you are in view/source for www.bonhom.com you can click on the link to www.angelfire.com/pe2.bonhom and the site displays perfectly.

Confused? I am. 

Thanks for your continued help on this problem.




Monday, 25 January 2010 - 12:29 PM EST

Name: md/jdfaq
Home Page: https://www.angelfire.com/md/jdfaq

the problem is in the frams code not the site.

you still have the old code

<FRAMESET cols="100%" rows="100%,*" FRAMEBORDER="no" BORDER="0" FRAMESPACING="0">
<FRAME NAME="main" SRC="https://www.angelfire.com/pe2/bonhom" FRAMEBORDER="0" SCROLLING="AUTO">


Monday, 25 January 2010 - 1:48 PM EST

Name: md/jdfaq
Home Page: https://www.angelfire.com/md/jdfaq

Here is your your page in a test page


copy and paste this code below to your page where the frams code is

<head><title>La Bonhommie</title>

<meta name="description" content="">
<meta name="keywords" content="">
<meta name="generator" content="NetBenefit Frameset Redirection">
<meta name="copyright" content="&copy; 2003 NetBenefit">
<frameset cols="100%,*" frameborder="no" border="0" framespacing="0">
<frame name="main" src="https://www.angelfire.com/pe2/bonhom/index.html" frameborder="0" scrolling="AUTO">
  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
  Your browser does not have the features required for you to be taken
  automatically to the site you're looking for, so you need to follow
  this <a href="https://www.angelfire.com/pe2/bonhom/index.html">link</a>.

Monday, 25 January 2010 - 4:13 PM EST

Name: pe2/bonhom
Home Page: https://www.angelfire.com/pe2/bonhom

Dear md/jdfaq,

thanks for helping me on this. You are correct in that it is all about frames.

Just for info, I have no control over the source code you see when you view/source on www.bonhom.com. My code is ftp'd to www.angelfire.com/pe2/bonhom/index/html. Anglefire is inserting this code (for reasons unknown) and redirecting (sic) the user to my page.  

I tried to insert the frameset code direct into my page but it did not work.

However, to test your theory I renamed my index.html to home.html and created a new index.html containing your code (but pointing to home.html). Low and behold the navigation menu is displayed. Unfortunately when you navigate to any other page the menu is not shown.

There has to be another underlying problem here. An earlier comment referred to a possible "access denied" error.

Any other ideas gratefully received.

Thanks again for your help.



Monday, 25 January 2010 - 11:54 PM EST

Name: md/jdfaq
Home Page: https://www.angelfire.com/md/jdfaq

did you get the domain with the membership plan from angelfire?

Tuesday, 26 January 2010 - 5:20 AM EST

Name: pe2/bonhom
Home Page: https://www.angelfire.com/pe2/bonhom

Yes, the domain name comes with my Anglefire subscription. I have two domains hosted by Angelfire, the other - www.prestigesp.com has no problems and view/source displays my code. I have no idea why www.bonhom.com should be different.

I have raised two problem tickets with Angelfire but have had no response to either, hence my post on this forum.



Tuesday, 26 January 2010 - 1:04 PM EST

Name: md/jdfaq
Home Page: https://www.angelfire.com/md/jdfaq

OK try this

login, go to my domains, and direct the domain name to https://www.angelfire.com/pe2/bonhom/ make sure to put the last slash at the end. 

you don't need frames

rename your home.html to index.html and try it.

if that doesn't work




Wednesday, 27 January 2010 - 7:02 PM EST

Name: "cw"

One of your scripted graphics doesn't show up within the redirect frame,  either.

I think the problem is here: (and any other places in your code like it where a relative URL path is used instead of the absolute path to files kept at your angelfire account. I think the domain redirect is masking the location of the scripted helperfiles used on your pages<script src="_wp_scripts/jsFlashVer.js" type="text/javascript"></script>
<script src="_wp_scripts/jsRollover.js" type="text/javascript">

<script src="https://www.angelfire.com/pe2/bonhom/_wp_scripts/jsFlashVer.js" type="text/javascript"></script>
<script src="https://www.angelfire.com/pe2/bonhom/_wp_scripts/jsRollover.js" type="text/javascript">

Thursday, 28 January 2010 - 6:57 AM EST

Name: pe2/bonhom
Home Page: https://www.angelfire.com/pe2/bonhom

Hi CW,

thanks for your suggestion. I altered the code but the problem remains. 

To view the amended code go to https://www.angelfire.com/pe2/bonhom/index.html

If you view www.bonhom.com in IE8 there is an error flag in the bottom left hand corner. Click on this and you get a message box which says "Access is Denied". Angelfire say that this is a problem with the domain name host (NetBenefit). Netbenefit say the redirection is working just fine. 

An interesting problem!


Thursday, 28 January 2010 - 8:32 AM EST

Name: "cw"

terry- I really thought that would work as it did when I tried it locally:( But let's try another approach.....

You say you obtained the domain names through angelfire so you should have control over how the names are connected to your account. The difference between the site where your nav menu works and the one where it does not, is that one domain name is assigned and the other is forwarded. It is the forwarded site that is the problem. So see if you can assign the domain name through your AF domain manager. (Forwarding a name via a frame is not search engine friendly so you'd want to change that, anyway.)

Thursday, 28 January 2010 - 9:18 AM EST

Name: "cw"

a second thought re search engine compatibility- you may also want to add simple html text links (in addition to your scripted navigation) to your pages because search engine spiders don't read script and often can't detect links inside them. Thus only your home page will be indexed. Check your pages in a text only browser to view what links are seen by SE spiders. I have a feeling none will show up from your scripted navigation. You can go to delorie.com and view a simulation in a lynx browser.

also- if this were my site- If you're using the same script on every page of your site then I'd turn your nav script into an external one by turning it into an external .js file, uploading it as such, and calling for it from it's uploaded URL. Then remove the nav script itself from all your pages.

That will make your pages faster loading since the nav script which is a humongous part of your html code will not have to load for each of your pages visited. Just look at your source code and see the extremely long code used for your nav script compared to the straight html used on your pretty simple and straightforward pages. There is a lot to like about the KISS principle.

Hope something works to get your nav going. Keep us posted.

Thursday, 28 January 2010 - 11:24 AM EST

Name: pe2/bonhom
Home Page: https://www.angelfire.com/pe2/bonhom

Hi CW,

thanks for the suggestions - a js file for the navigation menu is a good idea.

I was incorrect before when I said that the domain was hosted by Angelfire. I have written the site for a friend and he now tells me that the domain is owned by "Netbenefit".  We are in conversation with Netbenefit but they are not being much help at the moment.

I will log any progress here as and when it happens.

Thanks for your support. 

Thursday, 28 January 2010 - 11:59 AM EST

Name: "cw"

well, counter to the advice I gave you earlier, a simple solution to your scripted menu might be to turn the helper js files into internal page scripting.

That still won't solve the search engine problem. I checked your pages myself in a text browser. As suspected no links show up, only the message message written within your script that scripting isn't supported

Friday, 29 January 2010 - 12:30 PM EST

Name: md/jdfaq
Home Page: https://www.angelfire.com/md/jdfaq

try to transfar the domain to lycos


Thursday, 4 February 2010 - 2:14 PM EST

Name: pe2/bonhom
Home Page: https://www.angelfire.com/pe2/bonhom

Thanks to everyone who helped me with this problem.

In the end I reworked the navigation menu using CSS rather than javascript. 


Saturday, 6 February 2010 - 9:05 AM EST

Name: "cw"

Your new navigation looks good and works well from both URLs. It sure reduced your page weight and load. Simple is usually the best answer in the end:)

Monday, 8 February 2010 - 9:25 AM EST

Name: "anonymous"

Although, it must be admitted that by transferring from Javascript to CSS, he has lost the spiffy drop-downn menus, on the nagiation bar, which were apparent on the Javacript model.



Tuesday, 9 February 2010 - 7:17 PM EST

Name: "cw"

Agreed tom. Not as spiffy but a lot more functional with benefits for business sites like the poster's.

The previously scripted links would never be seen by search engine spiders so no links get indexed in search engines. CSS navigation will never have that problem. 

Wednesday, 10 February 2010 - 7:19 AM EST

Name: "anonymous"

CW: My knowledge on these things is miniscule, compared to yours or Dalleh's.

 Speaking of David, he did recommend to the poster, that he switch his domains over to Lycos; which implies, that he could have perhaps been able to retain his spiffy navigation bar with the drop-down menus; by following that expedient.

In order to overcome the situtaion you described, where the Search engline robots would not be able to pick up his internal website links; the poster could have also resorted to having a simple text navigation bar at the bottom of the page; something that is seen on many professionally designed websites.

 I guess that I am funny that way. I don't like to see something lost, when it could have been avoided.

 Warm Regards,




Wednesday, 10 February 2010 - 8:18 AM EST

Name: "cw"

Again  you're right tom about adding text navigation. That would have been a way around it. Transfering the domain may have been a problem. I don't think lycos has allowed transfers like that in the past though things may have changed.

all the best to you!


Saturday, 13 February 2010 - 1:47 PM EST

Name: md/jdfaq
Home Page: http://www.domains.lycos.com/

Hi CW, yes they can transfer the domain to lycos, not angelfire or tripod, look here http://www.domains.lycos.com/ in the lookup or search for domain box there is a link there.

Monday, 15 February 2010 - 7:28 PM EST

Name: "cw"

Hi dalleh, I don't doubt you but I can't find that info easily. Actually the only info that comes up for me is this one.... If the info is different, someone from lycos need to update the help site knowledgebase and remove the following:



How do I transfer a domain to Lycos?


Unfortunately, we do not currently accept domain name transfers (although this is something we are currently working towards implementing). You will have to use Domain Forwarding.

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Home Page: http://www.propertyguide24.com

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